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03 08 10 33
Bill Anders (LMP): We always have the same smear to look through. The rendezvous windows are okay, but they're so small and looking in the wrong directions here so far.
03 08 10 42
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger.
03 08 10 43
Bill Anders (LMP): I think the vertical stereo will be okay.
03 08 11 10
Bill Anders (LMP): It certainly looks like we're picking the more interesting places on the moon to land in. The backside looks like a sand pile my kids have been playing in for a long time. It's all beat up, no definition. Just a lot of bumps and holes.
03 08 11 27
Jim Lovell (CMP): I'm looking at 2P-2 right now, Houston, and it's a great spot.
03 08 11 33
Bill Anders (LMP): The area we're over right now gives some hint of possible volcanic, though I really can't eyeball it at the moment to pin that down. There are some craters and buildups that just definitely suggest volcanic activity.
03 08 11 52
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger. Understand, Bill, and understand Jim thinks the old 2P-2 is a winner.
03 08 12 06
Bill Anders (LMP): Yes, that backside doesn't look good at all.
03 08 12 10
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger.
03 08 12 15
Bill Anders (LMP): That's relatively speaking, of course.
03 08 12 18
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Of course.
03 08 18 52
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Apollo 8, Houston.
03 08 18 53
Jim Lovell (CMP): This is Apollo 8.
03 08 18 56
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger, Jim. We have you on the high-gain antenna. We'd like you to take the DSE and dump it over.
03 08 19 05
Jim Lovell (CMP): Roger, Houston. Are you going to use our computer to update our state vector?
03 08 19 34
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): That's affirmative, Jim. We'd like to—stand by one, and I'll tell you when to go to P00 and ACCEPT.
03 08 19 45
Jim Lovell (CMP): Roger. Then I'll work my 52 around your …
03 08 20 05
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Jim, would you please go to P00 in ACCEPT, and we'll send you a P27 and run a state vector update.
03 08 20 12
Jim Lovell (CMP): Roger. You have P00 in ACCEPT.
03 08 20 16
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Thank you.
03 08 20 36
Jim Lovell (CMP): Houston, this is Apollo 8. We have a little piece of useful information if you're interested in deliberating over it.
03 08 20 46
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Go ahead. Say again.
03 08 20 51
Jim Lovell (CMP): Roger. Our first control point is very near the terminator, and as the optics were tracking it, I had occasion to watch the sun come up. And at about 2 minutes before sunrise, you get—the limb begins to brighten up into sort of a fine white haze, a fine glow completely over the space just behind the limb.
03 08 21 23
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger. I understand. About 2 minutes before the sun comes up, you get a fine white haze radiating out from behind the limb. How far out does it extend?
03 08 21 34
Jim Lovell (CMP): It goes up quite a ways. It takes a fan shape, unlike the sunrise on earth where the atmosphere affects it. This just sort of is a complete haze all over the local area. It's concentrated at the exact spot where the sun comes up at ignition and then goes away from the sun spots. Very interesting.
03 08 21 54
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Thank you, Jim. Thank you.
03 08 22 36
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Apollo 8, Houston. We're standing by with your map and TEI 7 updates.
03 08 22 48
Jim Lovell (CMP): Stand by.
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03 08 22 54
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Apollo 8, Houston. You can go back to BLOCK with your computer.
03 08 23 02
Jim Lovell (CMP): Roger.
03 08 23 31
Bill Anders (LMP): Okay, Mike. We're ready for the map update and then the TEI.
03 08 23 38
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Okay. When you get your—before you get your map book out, the Houston COMM TECHS have got a little word for an old ex-CAP COMM. They say they consider you in NONREMOTE. Over.
03 08 23 54
Bill Anders (LMP): Not permanently, I hope.
03 08 23 59
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Okay. Your map update for REV 6/7: LOS 80:57:24, sunrise 81:06:57, prime meridian 81:13:02. Are you with me?
03 08 24 29
Bill Anders (LMP): You cut out after the prime meridian. I got it, but not AOS.
03 08 24 33
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): AOS 81:43:05, sunset 82:13:54. Remarks: IP-1 TCA for B-1 82:07:39, and now I've got four more times for you which—acquisition times for when various things come over the horizon. Over.
03 08 25 09
Bill Anders (LMP): Roger. Go ahead.
03 08 25 12
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Okay. Control point 1, acquisition time 81:09:05; control point 2, acquisition time 81:21:48; control point 3, acquisition time 81:43:17. B-1 acquisition time 82:03:54. And I say again all those ACQ times are when they first come over the horizon. Over.
03 08 25 54
Bill Anders (LMP): Roger. Copy, Houston. In about 2 seconds, I'll be ready for the TEI.
03 08 26 01
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Alright.
03 08 26 13
Bill Anders (LMP): I'm ready.
03 08 26 16
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): TEI 7, SPS/G&N—stand by one, Bill.
03 08 26 55
Bill Anders (LMP): Just a matter of general interest, Houston: everybody is feeling good, and the CDR is taking a snooze.
03 08 27 01
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger. Glad to hear it. We were just talking about a water dump down here. We've got one coming up, and it looks like on this REV prior to the time around LOS or just prior to LOS, would be a convenient time to do it. Do you concur?
03 08 27 20
Bill Anders (LMP): Okay. We will. Down to 25 percent again?
03 08 27 24
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): That's affirmative, and we'd also be interested in any comments about what these various dumps have done to your optics, if anything, and how long the effects last after a dump.
03 08 27 38
Bill Anders (LMP): Don't seem to have done anything to the optics, but they've definitely got in some of the windows. There are a few little chunks of ice on window number 1, which is nearest the vent, and also on window number 5 a little bit; windows 2 and 4 remain amazingly clear.
03 08 28 11
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger. Thank you, Bill, and I'm ready to resume the PAD when you are.
03 08 28 19
Bill Anders (LMP): Okay. Press on with the weight.
03 08 28 22
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Alright. Weight 45701, minus 040, plus 157 083:18:20.80, plus 32346, minus 01168, plus 05730. Are you with me so far? Over.
03 08 29 28
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Apollo 8, Houston. Over.
03 08 29 33
Bill Anders (LMP): Go ahead, Mike.
03 08 29 35
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger. I got down through DELTA-V, minus X, minus Y, and minus Z. Did you copy those? Over.
03 08 29 44
Bill Anders (LMP): No, I didn't read a word. I'm still waiting for the weight.
03 08 29 49
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger. Let's go back to the weight: 45701, minus 040, plus 157. Are you with me? Over.
03 08 30 09
Bill Anders (LMP): Sounds good.
03 08 30 11
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Okay. GETI 083:18:20.80, plus 32346, minus 01168, plus 4—correction, plus 05730. Are you with me? Over.
03 08 30 52
Bill Anders (LMP): Roger.
03 08 30 53
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Thank you. 179 009 001, not applicable, plus 00187 32870 307 32676 42 0880 253 033, down 121, left 27, plus 0790 minus 16500 129 73 36238 146:44:14; same north set Sirius and Rigel, roll 129, pitch 155, yaw 010, four quads for 15 seconds, horizon on the 2-degree mark at P ignition. Over.
03 08 32 53
Bill Anders (LMP): Roger. TEI 7 SPS/G&N: 45701, minus 040, plus 157 083:18:20.80, plus 32346, minus 01168, plus 05730 179 9—correction, 009 001, NA. Are you with me?
03 08 33 28
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Yes, I'm with you, Bill.
03 08 33 32
Bill Anders (LMP): Plus 00187 32870 307 32676 32—correction, 420880 253033, down 121, left 27, plus 0790, minus 16500 12973 36238 146:44:14; same north set Sirius and Rigel, 129 155 010; four-jet, 15 seconds, 2 degrees, now horizon and peak.
03 08 34 26
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): That's all correct.
03 08 39 12
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Apollo 8, Houston. Over.
03 08 39 18
Bill Anders (LMP): Go ahead, Houston.
03 08 39 20
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger. You got your DSE back, and you are GO for the next lunar orbit. Over.
03 08 39 27
Bill Anders (LMP): Roger. How far did you want us to dump that water?
03 08 39 34
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Twenty-five percent, please, Bill.
03 08 39 44
Bill Anders (LMP): Roger. Twenty-five percent.
03 08 40 52
Jim Lovell (CMP): Houston, Apollo 8.
03 08 41 07
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Apollo 8, this is Houston. Over.
03 08 41 13
Jim Lovell (CMP): Are you receiving our tracking data?
03 08 41 24
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): That's affirmative, Jim. We are receiving.
03 08 41 29
Jim Lovell (CMP): Okay. Thank you.
03 08 41 33
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): And also, Jim, we are—That last P27 we sent was for the LM state vector only, and it will require a VERB 47 ENTER to transfer to the CSM slot. Over.
03 08 41 48
Jim Lovell (CMP): Roger. Will do.
03 08 41 49
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Thank you.
03 08 45 39
Bill Anders (LMP): Okay. We're dumping the waste tank now, Houston.
03 08 45 44
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger, Bill.
03 08 52 57
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Apollo 8, Houston. Over.
03 08 53 02
Bill Anders (LMP): Go ahead, Houston.
03 08 53 04
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger. We've got 4 minutes til LOS, and everything is looking good down here.
03 08 53 13
Bill Anders (LMP): Roger. How much longer do you think we have to go into battery charge there, Mike?
03 08 53 19
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): I'll find out for you.
03 08 53 26
Bill Anders (LMP): If you can wake up the EECOM, why don't you have him ask the back room?
03 08 53 33
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Oh, you really know how to hurt a guy.
03 08 53 41
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Apollo 8, Houston. We estimate the charge will be complete in another 45 minutes. Over.
03 08 53 51
Bill Anders (LMP): Okay. Thank you very much.
03 08 55 59
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Apollo 8, Houston. One minute til LOS, and standing by.
03 08 56 05
Bill Anders (LMP): Okay. See you on the other side, Mike.
03 08 56 09
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Looking forward to it.
03 08 56 21
Bill Anders (LMP): Me, too.
03 09 43 58
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Apollo 8, this is Houston. Over.
03 09 44 34
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Apollo 8, this is Houston. Over.
03 09 44 47
Frank Borman (CDR): Houston, Apollo 8.
03 09 44 49
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger, Frank. Good morning. You're loud and clear, how me?
03 09 44 54
Frank Borman (CDR): Loud and clear.
03 09 44 58
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Welcome back.
03 09 45 04
Frank Borman (CDR): Thank you.
03 09 46 51
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Apollo 8, Houston. Over.
03 09 46 58
Frank Borman (CDR): Go ahead, Houston.
03 09 46 59
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger. We have a request that Jim space his marks, his five marks out a bit more slowly. If possible, we would like to get a couple of them past the zenith. We're getting five of them with rather rapid spacing, and from the geometry viewpoint, it would be better if you'd slow them down a little bit and lengthened them out so as to include a couple of them past the zenith. Over.
03 09 47 29
Frank Borman (CDR): Roger. We understand.
03 09 47 39
Frank Borman (CDR): Houston, Apollo 8. That last set of marks are invalid. Disregard what Jim drew the last time.
03 09 47 48
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger. Understand the last set of marks are invalid. Over.
03 09 47 54
Jim Lovell (CMP): Roger. If you would correlate … the last set.
03 09 48 03
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): We have an awful lot of background noise, Jim. Could you say again, please?
03 09 48 12
Jim Lovell (CMP): Roger. I'm coming up on control point 3. I tried to stick another control point in between 2 and 3. It didn't do it, so I just took out our program, marked it down on the program.
03 09 48 25
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger. Understand you are coming up on 3.
03 09 52 03
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Apollo 8, Houston.
03 09 52 07
Frank Borman (CDR): Go ahead, Houston. Apollo 8.
03 09 52 09
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger. On Jim's marks, we'd like to get spacing of approximately 30, 30 seconds between each mark. The last ones we are copying roughly 15 seconds between marks, and we would like to stretch it out even further if that is okay with you.
03 09 52 31
Frank Borman (CDR): Alright.
03 10 02 18
Jim Lovell (CMP): Houston, Apollo 8.
03 10 02 22
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Apollo 8, Houston. Over.
03 10 02 27
Jim Lovell (CMP): Roger, Mike. I find that tracking is much easier using the sextant than the scanning telescope. You have finer control, and at these orbital speeds, resolved to medium seem to be the best combination.
03 10 02 46
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger, Jim. I copy that it's easier for you to use the sextant than the scanning telescope. It gives you finer control, and say again after that.
03 10 03 05
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Apollo 8, Houston. Do you read?
03 10 03 09
Jim Lovell (CMP): Roger. Did you copy?
03 10 03 12
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger. I copy that it's—tracking is easier using the sextant than the scanning telescope; it gives you finer control, and say again after that. Over.
03 10 03 26
Jim Lovell (CMP): And the combination of resolved and medium is perhaps the best combination of—combination of—speed low is too low; we can't catch up with the target.
03 10 03 39
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger. Understand that the best combination is resolved and medium. Low is just too low.
03 10 03 49
Jim Lovell (CMP): Roger.
03 10 13 33
Jim Lovell (CMP): Houston, Apollo 8.
03 10 13 36
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Apollo 8, Houston. Over.
03 10 13 41
Jim Lovell (CMP): Roger. I'm not too sure what happened that time, Mike. I was marking on the landing sites, using the code, and I kept getting a large trunnion for AUTO OPTICS. And I could see the target, or landing site was coming up, so I just went manually and marked and got the—the latitude and longitude were quite different from the nominal.
03 10 14 14
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger. We copy that, Jim.
03 10 17 20
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Apollo 8, Houston.
03 10 17 24
Frank Borman (CDR): Go ahead, Houston. Apollo 8.
03 10 17 26
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger. We're checking into Jim's remarks on his P22; and in the meantime, I have your maneuver PAD's and map updates, at your convenience. Over.
03 10 17 41
Frank Borman (CDR): Roger.
03 10 18 12
Jim Lovell (CMP): Go ahead with your data, Mike.
03 10 18 14
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Okay. And before that, we'd like to take the DSE away from you, please, for a while.
03 10 18 28
Jim Lovell (CMP): All yours.
03 10 18 30
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Thank you, and we'd like you to go to P00 and ACCEPT. We have a P27 state vector update for you.
03 10 18 42
Jim Lovell (CMP): There's P00, and I'm going to ACCEPT.
03 10 18 46
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Thank you.
03 10 18 48
Jim Lovell (CMP): All yours.
03 10 18 55
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Which would you like first, the map update or the TEI 8?
03 10 19 02
Jim Lovell (CMP): The map would be fine.
03 10 19 07
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Okay. Map update: LOS 82:55:54, sunrise 83:05:49, prime meridian 83:11:38, AOS 83:41:43, sunset 84:18:45; remarks: control point 1 acquisition 83:07:39, control point 2 acquisition 83:20:21, control point 3 ACQ 83:41:51, B-1 acquisition 84:02:28. Over.
03 10 20 05
Jim Lovell (CMP): Roger. 82:55:54, 83:05:49, 83:11:38, 83:41:43, 84:18:45. CP-1 83:07:39, CP-2 83:20:21, CP-3 83:41:51, B-1 84:02:28.
03 10 20 29
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): That's affirmative.
03 10 20 52
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Understand —
03 10 20 53
Jim Lovell (CMP): — for the TEI PAD.
03 10 20 56
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger. The TEI 8 PAD, SPS/G&N: 45701, minus 040, plus 157 085:18:19.04. Are you with me so far? Over.
03 10 21 31
Jim Lovell (CMP): Roger.
03 10 21 33
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Okay. Plus 3195, minus 01267, plus 04716 179 008 001, not applicable, plus 00187 33552 311 33355 42 0909 252. Are you still with me? Over.
03 10 22 40
Jim Lovell (CMP): Roger.
03 10 22 43
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Okay. Picking up with the boresight star, it's old Dzuba who is the center star in the head of Scorpio; he's down 060, left 42, plus 0773, minus 16500 12982 36256 146:46:18. North set stars remain Sirius, Rigel, roll 129, pitch 155, yaw 010; four-quad ullage of 15 seconds, horizon on a 4-degree line at TIG, and requesting you zero the optics. Over.
03 10 24 03
Frank Borman (CDR): Roger. Going to ZERO OPTICS.
03 10 24 14
Frank Borman (CDR): Are you through with the computer now, Mike?
03 10 24 17
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): It's your computer; P27 LM state vector in and verified.
03 10 24 26
Jim Lovell (CMP): Roger. We're going to put it in the CSM slot.
03 10 24 30
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger. That's affirmative.
03 10 24 38
Frank Borman (CDR): Okay. TEI 8, SPS/G&N: 45701, minus 040, plus 157 085:18:19.04, plus 33195, minus 01267, plus 04716 179 008 001, NA, plus 00187 33552 311 33355 42 09090 252, Dzuba down 060, left 4.2, plus 0773, minus 16500 12982 36256 146:46:18; Sirius, Rigel, 1.29 155 010, four-quad, 15 seconds, horizon 4 degrees at TIG.
03 10 25 36
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): You keep good books; that's all correct.
03 10 25 42
Frank Borman (CDR): Thank you.
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03 10 26 44
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Apollo 8, Houston.
03 10 26 50
Frank Borman (CDR): Go ahead, Houston.
03 10 26 52
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger. Some time back, we noted evidence of a restart in the computer and wondered if you had any remarks about it. Over.
03 10 27 00
Frank Borman (CDR): I know it. Jim got screwed up on one of those programs. He's getting kind of tired here, and we got a RESTART and a couple of PROGRAM ALARMS. I don't know what he did.
03 10 27 12
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger, Frank. The main point is the computer is looking fine to us, now.
03 10 27 20
Frank Borman (CDR): That's good.
03 10 27 23
Jim Lovell (CMP): Houston, don't believe all you hear up here.
03 10 27 28
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): No, we have a filter, Jim, for that.
03 10 27 34
Frank Borman (CDR): Thank you.
03 10 28 32
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Apollo 8, Houston.
03 10 28 37
Frank Borman (CDR): Go.
03 10 28 39
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger. In some of Jim's previous comments about the limb brightness as the sun was about to come up has sparked a lot of interest down here. And we'd like to ask him if he gets a chance to notice again or perhaps he can recall, whether there were any changes in the appearance of the stars. Such as, did he notice any twinkling while this was taking place, and did he notice any narrow limb brightening within 10 to 20 seconds prior to the sun's rising? Over.
03 10 29 14
Bill Anders (LMP): He'll be with you—he's doing a P52 now.
03 10 29 17
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Okay.
03 10 30 08
Jim Lovell (CMP): Houston, my comments concerning the sunrise was the comments above the terrain. There appeared what might be called diagonal light or light due to the haze or something like that. As the sun came above or before the sun came above the limb, definite rays could be seen coming from the other side. It was a uniform haze emanating from the center spot where the sun was going to rise, and this was something which I didn't expect.
03 10 30 42
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger, Jim. Understand. We copied that and just curious, and if you see it again whether you notice any stars twinkling or any additional information.
03 10 30 55
Jim Lovell (CMP): Will do. Won't have a chance until control point 1.
03 10 31 06
Bill Anders (LMP): Actually, he doesn't want to pass out too much of that information. He wants to save it and write a paper when he gets back, Mike.
03 10 31 12
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Right. In German, probably, huh?
03 10 35 57
Frank Borman (CDR): Houston, Apollo 8.
03 10 35 59
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Apollo 8, Houston.
03 10 36 04
Frank Borman (CDR): Okay. What time is that TV, Mike, 85:37?
03 10 36 08
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): 85:37 to terminator, which is probably like 86:14.
03 10 36 20
Frank Borman (CDR): Okay. Well, I don't know if we can go that long with it, and I'm going to scrub all the other experiments, the converging stereo or other photography, and we are a little bit tired; I want to use that last bit to really make sure we're right for TEI.
03 10 36 38
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger, I understand, Frank.
03 10 36 42
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): A couple of miscellaneous items for you: we'd like for you to discontinue charging battery B at this time; we'd also like to get a cryo stir, 2 minutes on all four; and your UP TELEMETRY IU switch, put to BLOCK, please, and you are GO for the next lunar orbit.
03 10 37 08
Frank Borman (CDR): Thank you.
03 10 37 10
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger.
03 10 40 10
Frank Borman (CDR): Houston, Apollo 8.
03 10 40 14
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Apollo 8, Houston. Go ahead, Frank.
03 10 40 18
Frank Borman (CDR): Roger. I want to scrub these control point sightings on this next REV, too, and let Jim take a rest.
03 10 40 25
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger. I understand.
03 10 40 30
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): I understand you want to scrub control points 1, 2, and 3 on the next REV and the converging stereo on the following REV.
03 10 40 42
Frank Borman (CDR): That's right. We're getting too tired.
03 10 40 44
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Okay, Frank.
03 10 41 39
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Apollo 8, Houston.
03 10 41 41
Frank Borman (CDR): Go ahead.
03 10 41 44
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): This REV coming up we would like to clarify whether you intend to scrub control points 1, 2, and 3, only, and do the pseudo landing site; or whether you also intend to scrub the pseudo landing site marks. Over.
03 10 42 01
Frank Borman (CDR): We're scrubbing everything. I'll stay up and try and keep the spacecraft vertical and take some automatic pictures, but I want Jim and Bill to get some rest.
03 10 42 10
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Roger. Understand.
03 10 51 42
Mike Collins (CAPCOM): Apollo 8, Houston. Four minutes to LOS. You have control of the DSE now, and all your systems are looking good.
03 10 51 53
Frank Borman (CDR): Thank you very much, Mike.

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