Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Roger. If you would go to P00 and ACCEPT, please, we are going to send you a P27 load which will update an RLS value which will be followed by a procedural change, Jim, we will give you later; and AUTO OPTICS should be working shortly.

Jim Lovell (CMP)

Roger. Or I could use no landmark AUTO OPTICS instead of the code.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, Houston. We are also sending you up a state vector update at the same time.

Jim Lovell (CMP)

Okay. We will be expecting that.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, Houston. We're taking the DSE for a dump. Over.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, Houston. Over.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Roger. We would like to take Bill's DSE for a dump. Over.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Houston, Apollo 8. We're ready for the—your updates, your PAD's.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, Houston. Roger. I have updates, a map update for REV 5/6, and TEI 6 update. Which would you like first?

Bill Anders (LMP)

Okay. I've got the map update page now. Why don't you give me that one?

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Okay. Map update for REV 5/6. LOS 78:58:49, sunrise 79:08:07, prime meridian 79:14:30, AOS 79:44:36, sunset 80:21:05; IP-1, time of closest approach to target B-1 80:09:00. Now your two new control points that Jim gave us: control point number 1, acquisition 79:10:32, control point number 2, acquisition 79:23:14. Over.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Roger. Copy. Ready for the TEI.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Okay, Bill. Before we read the big TEI update here, I'd like to give Jim briefly a procedure for P22. When he comes to NOUN 89, we request that he do a VERB 34 ENTER. Do not proceed, and by so doing then, he will not incorporate the lat and longitude from his mark, and he will not change the reference value of the landing site, and we will solve this AUTO OPTICS problem. Over.

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Bill Anders (LMP)

Let me see if I have this correct, Mike. When flashing 0689 comes up with the latitude and longitude information, I will not proceed but will go to VERB 34 and terminate. Is that correct?

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Yes, that is affirmative. Do a VERB 34 ENTER instead of a PROCEED. And that will -

Jim Lovell (CMP)

Alright. Is this technique true -

Jim Lovell (CMP)

Houston, is this technique true for both the node control point AUTO OPTICS on P25?

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

That is affirmative, Apollo 8. That is always true.

Jim Lovell (CMP)

Okay. Roger. True for the code AUTO OPTICS and no landmark. I'll proceed instead of going on—or I'll use 34 instead proceeding on 89.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Roger. Thank you, Jim, and I have the TEI 6 hour when you are ready—or TEI number 6.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Roger. I'm glad you are ready to copy TEI number 6. I've got one last comment for Jim before you do so. The VERB 89—or correction—the NOUN 89 we are talking about is the one that he gets after marking. There are two NOUN 89's, one prior to marking and one after, and our procedure references NOUN 89 after marking. Over.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Thank you, and, Bill, you still ready to copy?

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

TEI 6, SPS/G&N: 45701, minus 040, plus 157. Are you with me so far?

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

081:21:24.43, plus 31776, minus 00823, minus 01365 180 016 001, not applicable, plus 00188. Are you still with me? Over.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Good. 31816 302 31624 40 2699 396 033, down 054, left 21, plus 0810 control minus 16500 12968 36222 146:42:04; GDC align remains the same; Sirius and Rigel, roll 129, pitch 155, yaw 010, ullage four quads for 15 seconds; horizon on 6-degree line at TIG minus 3 minutes. Over.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Roger, Houston. TEI 6, SPS/G&N: 45701, minus 040, plus 157 018:21:24.43, plus 31776, minus 00823, minus 01365 180 016 001, NA, plus 00188 31816 302 31624 40 2699. Are you with me?

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Yes, I'm with you, Bill.

Bill Anders (LMP)

396 033, down 054, left 21, plus 08 10 minus 16500 12968 36222 146:42:04; same GDC align; Sirius and Rigel, 129 155 010, four jet, 15 seconds, horizon 6 degrees, TIG minus 3. Over.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Roger, Bill. On your ignition time, GETI is 81 hours, 081. Over.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Thank you, Michael. As a matter of interest, these side windows are so hazy that when the sun shines on them, they just about—they are real poor for any visual observation or photography—heads-up.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, Houston. Over.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Roger. The last state vector updates we sent you, Jim, was to the LM slots, and you will have to transfer that over to the CSM slots using VERB 47 ENTER. Over.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Roger. Bill has got his tape recorder back, and we noticed during that last dump, it was all in low bit rate. We wonder whether that was intentional or not? Over.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Roger. We didn't have much to say; we couldn't see out of the windows very well, Mike.

Bill Anders (LMP)

It was really too bad.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Roger, Bill. This next time around into the sunlight, we do not expect any problem with the primary evaporator. If it does start drying out, we think it is best just to close the back pressure valve, and there is no need to activate the secondary boiler. Over.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Okay. I guess the 6O-degree limit will still hold then.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, Houston. We are suggesting you disregard the 60 degree limit, and let it go ahead and rise up above 60. There is no need to activate the secondary. Over.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Okay. We just don't want to boil our IMU.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Roger. Understand then. Apollo 8, you are GO for the next lunar orbit REV.

Jim Lovell (CMP)

Roger, Houston. I'll read the book this time.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, Houston. Over.

Jim Lovell (CMP)

Go ahead, Houston. Apollo 8 —

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Roger. We have about 4-1/2 minutes left before we have LOS; we'd like your last PRD readout. Over.

Jim Lovell (CMP)

Stand by. The commander is asleep; we'll get his when he wakes up. The LMP is still 6 … 0.64, C is 9, CMP is 0.09.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Roger. copy 0.64, 0.09. Thank you.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, Houston. About 40 seconds to LOS, and everything's looking good down here.

Jim Lovell (CMP)

Roger. Houston. We will give it another try here.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, this is Houston. Over.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, this is Houston. Over.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, this is Houston. Over.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, this is Houston. Over.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, this is Houston. Over.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Houston, Apollo 8. Over.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Reading you very weak but—a lot of background noise. Welcome back around. How are you reading us?

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, Houston. Go ahead.

Jim Lovell (CMP)

Roger, Houston. A few words on our optics tracking system. I used AUTO OPTICS for control points 1 and 2 on the backside, and they worked beautifully, tracked both the targets for me. And I went to the control point 3 as designated in our orbital control book to see the latitude and longitude that was given to me and used AUTO OPTICS to track that particular coordinate system, and it was very close to the actual tracking plot. I picked the mark there where I did a final marking and recorded latitude and longitude. I'm now about to come up on the landing site and using AUTO OPTICS in the coded input to see how that works.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Roger. We know you're busy so we are not going to bother you. We are watching your progress on the DSKY. You are looking good; all your systems are looking good, and we have maneuver PAD's for you any time at your convenience.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Roger. We will take them when we are doing the P52, if that's okay.

Jim Lovell (CMP)

Mike, there are an awful lot of objects down on the landing site. It would just warm up Jack Schmidt's heart. The AUTO OPTICS are tracking perfectly on the target, and the two high peaks stand out beautifully. I have a beautiful view of it. The first I've seen just barely beneath the vertical now, and the second one coming up—It's just a grand view!

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Roger, Jim. Glad to hear it. Jack's listening.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Jack, the information—The triangles that we see now are from the first IP, second IP, and the B-1 are just right, I think, for landing conditions. The shadows aren't too deep for you to get confused, but the land has texture to it, and there are enough shadows there to make everything stand out.

Bill Anders (LMP)

If Jack's listening, tell him that the optical may be doing all right, but the eyeball is having a little trouble looking through all this smear on the windows.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Roger. Understand the optics are doing better than the eyeballs. How about the cameras?

Bill Anders (LMP)

We always have the same smear to look through. The rendezvous windows are okay, but they're so small and looking in the wrong directions here so far.

Bill Anders (LMP)

I think the vertical stereo will be okay.

Bill Anders (LMP)

It certainly looks like we're picking the more interesting places on the moon to land in. The backside looks like a sand pile my kids have been playing in for a long time. It's all beat up, no definition. Just a lot of bumps and holes.

Jim Lovell (CMP)

I'm looking at 2P-2 right now, Houston, and it's a great spot.

Bill Anders (LMP)

The area we're over right now gives some hint of possible volcanic, though I really can't eyeball it at the moment to pin that down. There are some craters and buildups that just definitely suggest volcanic activity.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Roger. Understand, Bill, and understand Jim thinks the old 2P-2 is a winner.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Yes, that backside doesn't look good at all.

Bill Anders (LMP)

That's relatively speaking, of course.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Roger, Jim. We have you on the high-gain antenna. We'd like you to take the DSE and dump it over.

Jim Lovell (CMP)

Roger, Houston. Are you going to use our computer to update our state vector?

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

That's affirmative, Jim. We'd like to—stand by one, and I'll tell you when to go to P00 and ACCEPT.

Jim Lovell (CMP)

Roger. Then I'll work my 52 around your …

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Jim, would you please go to P00 in ACCEPT, and we'll send you a P27 and run a state vector update.

Jim Lovell (CMP)

Roger. You have P00 in ACCEPT.

Jim Lovell (CMP)

Houston, this is Apollo 8. We have a little piece of useful information if you're interested in deliberating over it.

Jim Lovell (CMP)

Roger. Our first control point is very near the terminator, and as the optics were tracking it, I had occasion to watch the sun come up. And at about 2 minutes before sunrise, you get—the limb begins to brighten up into sort of a fine white haze, a fine glow completely over the space just behind the limb.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Roger. I understand. About 2 minutes before the sun comes up, you get a fine white haze radiating out from behind the limb. How far out does it extend?

Jim Lovell (CMP)

It goes up quite a ways. It takes a fan shape, unlike the sunrise on earth where the atmosphere affects it. This just sort of is a complete haze all over the local area. It's concentrated at the exact spot where the sun comes up at ignition and then goes away from the sun spots. Very interesting.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Thank you, Jim. Thank you.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, Houston. We're standing by with your map and TEI 7 updates.

Jim Lovell (CMP)

Stand by.

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Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, Houston. You can go back to BLOCK with your computer.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Okay, Mike. We're ready for the map update and then the TEI.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Okay. When you get your—before you get your map book out, the Houston COMM TECHS have got a little word for an old ex-CAP COMM. They say they consider you in NONREMOTE. Over.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Not permanently, I hope.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Okay. Your map update for REV 6/7: LOS 80:57:24, sunrise 81:06:57, prime meridian 81:13:02. Are you with me?

Bill Anders (LMP)

You cut out after the prime meridian. I got it, but not AOS.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

AOS 81:43:05, sunset 82:13:54. Remarks: IP-1 TCA for B-1 82:07:39, and now I've got four more times for you which—acquisition times for when various things come over the horizon. Over.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Okay. Control point 1, acquisition time 81:09:05; control point 2, acquisition time 81:21:48; control point 3, acquisition time 81:43:17. B-1 acquisition time 82:03:54. And I say again all those ACQ times are when they first come over the horizon. Over.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Roger. Copy, Houston. In about 2 seconds, I'll be ready for the TEI.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

TEI 7, SPS/G&N—stand by one, Bill.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Just a matter of general interest, Houston: everybody is feeling good, and the CDR is taking a snooze.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Roger. Glad to hear it. We were just talking about a water dump down here. We've got one coming up, and it looks like on this REV prior to the time around LOS or just prior to LOS, would be a convenient time to do it. Do you concur?

Bill Anders (LMP)

Okay. We will. Down to 25 percent again?

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

That's affirmative, and we'd also be interested in any comments about what these various dumps have done to your optics, if anything, and how long the effects last after a dump.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Don't seem to have done anything to the optics, but they've definitely got in some of the windows. There are a few little chunks of ice on window number 1, which is nearest the vent, and also on window number 5 a little bit; windows 2 and 4 remain amazingly clear.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Roger. Thank you, Bill, and I'm ready to resume the PAD when you are.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Okay. Press on with the weight.

Mike Collins (CAPCOM)

Alright. Weight 45701, minus 040, plus 157 083:18:20.80, plus 32346, minus 01168, plus 05730. Are you with me so far? Over.