Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Affirmative. And I'll have one, two, three PAD's to read to you.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Standby. Okay. You've got P00 in ACCEPT.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Okay, thank you. And just a minute, I'll be with you on the PAD's. They'll be three maneuver PAD's, one of them MCC 4.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Houston, this is Apollo 8. We're ready to copy if you read.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Okay. I thought maybe we had lost COMM here for a second.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Okay. Apollo 8, let me just read you midcourse correction number 4.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Alright. Midcourse correction number 4: the RCS/G&N 62888 November Alfa November Alfa 060:59:54.30 minus 00012, minus 00011, plus 00012 031 008 323 November Alfa, plus 00618 00020 011 00020 17 2965 308 Alpha-Centauri, up 073, left 34. For the stars, it will be the primary Sirius, secondary Rigel, 129 155 010. Over.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Roger. MCC 4, RCS/G&N 62888 NA, NA 060:59:54.30, minus 00012, minus 00011, plus 00012 031 008 323, NA. Are you with me so far?

Bill Anders (LMP)

Plus 00618 00020 011 00020 17 2965 308 Alpha-Centauri, up 073, left 34, primary Sirius, secondary Rigel 129 155 010. Over.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

That's correct, Apollo 8.

Bill Anders (LMP)

And what else have you got?

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Okay. I've got one for pericynthian plus 2, and it's a minimum DELTA-V solution.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Okay. That's pericynthian plus 2. RCS/G&N 62871 November Alfa, and stand by one. Okay. We'll pick up with a pitch trim and yaw trim of not applicable; time 071:07:22.16, minus 00468, plus 00254, plus 00181 173 101 027 November Alfa plus 00187 00563 515 00563 01 3169 198 044, down 044, left 45, plus 1100, minus 02500 12967 36198 137:01:53, primary Sirius, secondary Rigel 129:155:010, four jets plus X. This assumes execution of midcourse correction number 4 and uses the same alignment as midcourse correction 4. over.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Roger. Pericynthian plus 2, minimum DELTA-V RCS/G&N 62871, NA, NA. 071:07:22.16, minus 00468, plus 00254, plus 00181 173 101 027, NA, plus 00187 00563 515 00563 01 3169 198 044, down 044, left 45, plus 1100, minus 02500 12967 36198 137:01:53, primary Sirius, secondary Rigel, 1.29 155 010, four jets plus X, assumes MCC 4 with same alignment. Over.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

That is correct, Apollo 8.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Houston, Apollo 8. Confirm that boresight star and SPA are exactly the same number and not typographical error.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Roger, Apollo 8. They are checking that. Apollo 8, the computer is yours. You can take it back.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Roger. Going to BLOCK.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Houston, this is Apollo 8. Do you copy?

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

I do now loud and clear. I've got one more PAD for you, and the confirmation that those boresight star number and the pitch angle are correct at 44.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Roger. And we are ready to do our P52 preferred alignment at this time. Are you ready?

Bill Anders (LMP)

Okay. We are ready to copy.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Okay. This is a pericynthian plus 2 for a fast return. This will be SPS/G&N 62871, minus 161, plus 129 071:06:42.07, plus 45224, minus 06216, minus 18712 001 287 351, November Alfa plus 00187 49336 603 49118 112 038 296, earth up 010, right 37, plus 1475, plus 06500 13239 36913 106:09:23; primary star Sirius, secondary Rigel 129 155 010, no ullage, assumes execution of midcourse correction 4 and uses the same alignment. The time for MCC 5 for GERU determination—that's Golf Echo Romeo Uniform—this will be a GET of 83:02; use P37 NC-4, steps 1 through 10 and NC-8 steps 3 and 4. I say again, use P37 November Charlie 4 steps 1 through 10 and November Charlie steps 3 and 4; velocity 400K for corridor control chart 36507. Over.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Houston, Roger. This is Apollo 8. You copy?

Bill Anders (LMP)

Roger, Houston. This is Apollo. How you read?

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Okay. Loud and clear, Bill.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Okay, Ken. Pericynthian plus 2, fast return SPS/G&N 62871, minus 161, plus 129 071:06:42.07, plus 45224, minus 06216, minus 18712 001 28 603 49118 112 038 296 earth up 010, right 37, plus 1475, plus 06400 1323 936 913 106:09:23, primary Sirius, secondary Rigel 129 155 010, no ullage, assume MCC 4 same alignment, MCC 5 GERU determination GET 83:02 P37 NC-4 0 through 10 and copy NC-8, 3, and 4. Velocity at 400K 36507. Over.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Okay, Apollo 8. That's correct with one exception: in the PAD format under longitude NOUN 61, that is plus 06500. Over.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Roger. That's what I have, plus 06500.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Okay. That's correct, Apollo 8.

Bill Anders (LMP)

And we're ready to copy whatever else you have.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, let's go back and confirm on your minimum DELTA-V pericynthian plus 2 that the pitch column is 101; that's the fifth block down.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Roger. Pitch. Roger, pitch 101.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Okay. Thank you very much. And the item we have left to go is that we'd like to get with you on how you want to handle the problem with windows on REV 2.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Okay, Houston. Stand by on that, please.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Houston, this is Apollo 8. We want you to come up with a suggested redline for RCS usage during lunar orbit, also, please.

Bill Anders (LMP)

And for your information, Houston, when the sun is shining on window 5, it's pretty hazy; window number 1 is a little bit better.

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Bill Anders (LMP)

Houston, this is Apollo 8.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Roger. We tried to get this realignment. We need—Do you have a maneuver to get us some gimbal angles so we don't get gimbal lock when we get the preferred alignment?

Jim Lovell (CMP)

Houston, on our present position, we'll go into gimbal lock. I figure to try and get the preferred angle.

Jim Lovell (CMP)

In running through PROGRAM 52, we got a PROGRAM ALARM 401 which would indicate that if we continued, we'd drive it into gimbal lock.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, Houston. This should be an OPTION 1 like OPTION 3.

Jim Lovell (CMP)

Houston, we're doing an OPTION 1 like OPTION 3. We keep getting a 401 ALARM, which says desired RCTU yields gimbal lock.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, Houston. It appears that you have maneuvered around the gimbal locks system.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Okay. Sorry we were late on that answer.

Jim Lovell (CMP)

Well, we stopped and went through coarse align of P52 and then we got fine align, and pick-a-pair, pick Capella, but she drove and didn't get to any place. I didn't pick Capella, and I can't recognize any out there right now. Can I re-cycle here and go back and pick a pair?

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

That's affirmative, Apollo 8.

Jim Lovell (CMP)

My plan is to go back into re-enter PROGRAM 52—well, it did not drive to Capella, and I can't recognize it in the scanning telescope. My plan is to go back into recall P52.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, can you confirm that you zeroed the optics prior to starting?

Jim Lovell (CMP)

Roger. That's affirmative. We zeroed the optics.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, Houston. You have a GO for a second try in P52 with an OPTION 3.

Jim Lovell (CMP)

Okay. I now have Aldebaran in the scanning telescope; I might want to call that one instead of Capella.

Frank Borman (CDR)

I'll see what it comes up with first, though.

Frank Borman (CDR)

Houston, Apollo 8. We came up with an unacceptable difference in our stars; we're going to have to recycle.

Frank Borman (CDR)

If we don't get this midcourse in, what will that do to our pericynthian?

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, Houston. In the event that we don't get this midcourse in, we'll still go for an LOI, and it's been suggested you might try Mirfak which is OCTO 10.

Frank Borman (CDR)

That's the one we're trying now.

Frank Borman (CDR)

We are all set up and counting down at 8 minutes.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, our data is down right now; appreciate making sure you have the tape recorder on.

Frank Borman (CDR)

Roger. I am going to go—I'll have to go COMMAND RESET. You've got control.

Frank Borman (CDR)

Roger. You have some pitch and yaw angles for our PTC extra burn.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Okay, Apollo 8. That's pitch 348, yaw 315.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

That's affirmative. And would you give us another hack on your countdown time?

Frank Borman (CDR)

It's 5:18 17 16 15 14.

Frank Borman (CDR)

Houston, I will give you a mark in 4 minutes.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, Houston. How about switching the BIOMED switch over to the left.

Jim Lovell (CMP)

Roger. Burn on time, angles nominal, burn time about 12 seconds, 0.2 feet per second after the DELTA-VC, 0 in VGX. We have transferred the results of the burn over to the left slot VERB 66.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Roger. And got a couple of items that I would like to clean up. We will get you an RCS budget. We've got one redline now; we are trying to get some firmer numbers for you, and we will have those in a little bit. Right now your PTC usage is right on the flight plan line, so everything looks pretty good there. We want to get a crew status report from you. We would like to firm up the REV 2 flight plan idea; and sometime at your convenience, we would like to take a reading of the PRD for the commander and CMP and then have you swap them. We are trying to isolate the—what the possible reason is for the discrepancies or the disparity in the two readings.

Jim Lovell (CMP)

And we are maneuvering to the PTC attitude, Houston.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, Houston. Could you give us the sign of that Z residual?

Jim Lovell (CMP)

Stand by, Houston. Alright, Houston. Looks like we didn't record just the Z. We recorded DELTA-VC, which is minus 0.2.

Jim Lovell (CMP)

DELTA-V was 0.1, but we didn't get the sign.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Roger. Understand that was DELTA-VC was minus 0.2. I copied DELTA-VZ; ZULU is 0.2. Is that incorrect?

Jim Lovell (CMP)

Roger. It was 0.1, but we didn't get the sign.

Bill Anders (LMP)

We can get it. We have it on the tape, Houston, whenever you want to dump it.

Bill Anders (LMP)

It'll be about the last 5 minutes worth.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Okay, Houston, for the PRD's: CDR is 0.07, CMP is 0.64, LMP is 0.80. Note that the CMP's hasn't changed since we started and the commander's hasn't changed much. We have swapped PRD's; commander has LMP, CMP has commander's, and LMP has CMP's PRD. Over.

Jim Lovell (CMP)

Roger. Crew status report as follows: water, the commander has about 50 clicks so far today; CMP 43; and the LMP is 44. We've eaten two meals so far today. Day 3 meal A and B; consumed most of it except for the hard hard bite, which no one cares for. Pudding was outstanding. We're at a gain of pericynthian now of plus 63 miles. Commander and CMP have had a rest period just before the midcourse 4 of about 2 hours.

Jim Lovell (CMP)

We're at a gain of about 20 500 miles from the moon at 61:14. How does that agree with what you figure?

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, Houston. Looks like you're on the secondary loop. We would like to run that for about 5 minutes.

Frank Borman (CDR)

Roger. We're doing the ECS redundant component check.

Frank Borman (CDR)

Getting any data now Houston? Guess you are. Okay. See you stopped my tape then. I've been running for about 3 extra minutes here to record the check.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Roger. We have data now. That was a temporary loss.

Frank Borman (CDR)

What's the matter? Was it chow time down there?

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Roger. Didn't know you could smell it that far away.

Frank Borman (CDR)

Give me a call when you're satisfied with the secondary loop; it's stabilized out here pretty well.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Wilco, and you might tell Jim that our RTCC is about 4 miles off; we had 20 496.

Frank Borman (CDR)

We just put compressor 2 on ac 2.

Frank Borman (CDR)

Houston, Apollo 8. Do you show battery B as voltage dropped some from the postcharge value? Over.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, Houston. Confirm that battery B is a little bit lower, and this is attributed to the parasitic loads that are on there.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Okay. I just didn't see the same kind of drop for A. So if you think it's okay, it's fine.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

That's affirm. You don't have the same parasitic loads on that; B is actually drawing some.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Okay. I guess that's the radiators, huh?

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, Houston. We've seen enough of the secondary evaporator. We would like for you to wait about 2 minutes between the time you go to RESET and the time you turn the pump off.

Frank Borman (CDR)

I agree; good idea. And we plan to leave the water control in AUTO.

Frank Borman (CDR)

Go ahead, Houston. Apollo 8.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Okay. Looking over the—our redundant component check, it appears we have not yet checked the integrity of the secondary loop radiators; and if you haven't done that, sometime we would like to open up the secondary radiators but not flow through them and just measure the accumulator pressure.

Frank Borman (CDR)

Houston, we don't show that in our pre-LOI check, but we're willing to go ahead and do it if you want to.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Roger. We just noticed that it isn't there, and, yes, we would like to. You understand that we are not proposing that you flow, but merely we check for any pressure decay.

Frank Borman (CDR)

Roger. Wait till I get my trusty assistant here to help me.

Frank Borman (CDR)

Okay, Houston. We're going to blow the secondary, I mean, open the secondary RAD for 30 seconds now.

Frank Borman (CDR)

Okay. They're closed now.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Okay. Thank you. Looks good.

Frank Borman (CDR)

Roger. No meteoroids yet.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, Houston. You take your tape recorder to stop, and we'll reset it then and give it back to you.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Okay. We still need to talk about the REV 2 attitudes we're going to use here to work around the fact that you have a fogged center window. Whenever that's convenient, we'd like to go over what your thoughts are on the subject so we can make sure we can get our flight plan squared away.

Bill Anders (LMP)

My thoughts are to make—to do with the best with what we have. We are not interested in changing a lot of things right now.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Okay. The one proposal that sounds like it has some advantage to it: if we let Jim do his evaluation through the telescope, you do everything exactly the same except you turn and roll over 180 degrees so that your head's up, and let Jim do his tracking through the telescope and you'll still be a yaw right when you go to pick up your TV and that type of thing. It looks like that probably will cover everything. We can do that or we can just go as is and just have to let some of that tracking evaluation go by. Another alternate would be to have Jim look out the right-hand rendezvous window, and you may have to change your attitude in order to get the same picture there also.

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Frank Borman (CDR)

I think we'll try to do that, but I don't—this is one of the things that we'll work out when we get there.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Okay. The reason we were looking into it in the flight plan is, if you do want to try rolling over and flying heads up or something of that nature, we can help Bill get a little more out of his photography by giving him some new film settings and that type of thing. We'll have something like that available; in case you do fly heads up, why, we'll have some numbers, we can call up for film settings.

Frank Borman (CDR)

Roger. We are going to have to dump more urine here shortly. Will this bother your tracking?

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, we're checking on that with the tracking people now.

Frank Borman (CDR)

Houston, just give us the time when we can start on it, and we'll hold off until you say so.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Okay, and you can anticipate a handover between stations here on the hour, and you might get a slight glitch as we go through. I'll give you a call when we get back.

Frank Borman (CDR)

Thank you, Ken. What station are we going to be going to, Ken?

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Okay. We'll be going to Honeysuckle.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, Houston. You're cleared for a dump at this time, and I understand this is the last gas station for a long time.

Frank Borman (CDR)

You mean you don't want us to dump after this for a while?

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

That's affirm. Due to the tracking as you approach the LOI, they would like to minimize any of these type of perturbations.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Apollo 8, Houston through Honeysuckle.

Bill Anders (LMP)

Roger. Houston through Honeysuckle. We read you loud and clear.

Ken Mattingly (CAPCOM)

Thought you went to sleep.

Bill Anders (LMP)

You got over to Australia pretty fast.